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PostSubject: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:44 am

First and foremost, I would like to apologize for the sudden intrusion. As the co-leader of guild Sinful,
I would like to request a guild collaboration or a possible merge with Overdrive.

It is for the benefit of both guilds that we request a merger between guild Overdrive and guild Sinful. This
will ensure that our numbers and stature grow stronger within the game.


Should you accept,you are welcome to use our guild forum as your own.
Our goals with this merger are:-

1) To gain dominance and fame in a single channel within the Windus server.
2) To branch out our guild and cover every aspect of the game, including but not limited to - helping newbies,
helping with quests, earning zed through crafts and buying and selling on the open market.


There are a few ways that this merge can be accomplished:-

1) A guild branch will be created with the signature name "Sinful" present.
(For example: Sinful Hall etc.)

However, Sinful guild branches do not necessarily have to be led by a person from the Sinful guild. The guild
leader of Overdrive could lead the Sinful branch - the only requirement is that a member from the Sinful guild join
that particular guild branch as an officer.

In the event of a lack of members, the new guild branch may also be supplied with additional members from the main
Sinful guild.


2) All members of merge under the main Sinful guild.

I would like to hear your opinions on this subject. An ex-member by the name of MrRyan has informed me of the status of Overdrive and we would like to extend our sincerest support to your guild.

Thank you for your time,
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:36 am

I think it's a great idea. We can pwn any other guild. Please agree to the merge!!!
Don't forget it includes Wonder-Port.com too :DD
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:55 am

You know, I don't know. Yes, it is true that our guild is falling down fairly quickly, but I had this whole plan to bring it up. All these ideas about starting fresh, and I really just can't say "Ok members lets do this."

Sure, I think if we merged that we would be amazingly powerful. We actually have more members than you think, it is just that they are inactive at the moment.

I don't know if my members would like it though. We have been a family for a long time, and by abandoning my guild ( sort of ) to be apart of a guild that they don't like........well I just don't know.

Another reason why I would send down your offer is that the whole reason I made a guild is to LEAD. I love leading, grouping my members and trying to be at the top. If I merged, you would lead. I guess I would lead a branch, but that's not what I had in mind.

Let me discuss with my fellow members first.

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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:42 pm

@Noct I don't really get the first way to merge. Like making a new guild with the name of Sinful?
Why did you mention merging under Sinful guild but not Overdrive guild?

Is this what you're trying to do: overpower our guild?

Both of the ways you mentioned all have "Sinful" in the names, so where does "Overdrive" go?

@Overdrive-ers
I oppose this idea. Unless it's making a third guild, with a totally different name from both guilds, which contains members from both guilds.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:14 pm

Hmmm, the primary issue that I can see here is going under the name Sinful. What I wrote was simply a suggestion, but I'm open for more suggestions to reach a common ground. When it comes to merging a guild, reaching understanding is one of my primary subjects.

What if we both decide on a new Guild name? That way both guilds will neither go under their name and both of us would be starting fresh. Of course, I'd like to extend the guild.. rather than re-creating a whole new guild, this is why I wouldn't want to create a new guild containing both of our members into one, this is to gain more variety of members while covering more space.

Issues such as who would be leading the guild can also be solved by creating a second guild containing the same name, bonds wouldn't be broken since you would be leading your guild, normally like before, the difference is that you would have support from us. By deciding on a new guild name it wouldn't be called a branch more like a guild alliance.

Let me know what you guys think, I'm open for more ideas!
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:20 pm

If Understanding is one of your primary subjects, then what are ALL your subjects?

I think your guild is already big. Why do you want to support us? What do you want back?
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:20 pm

well everyone has there own opinion on this but i would say we make a global decision on it and just make one guild with both guilds in it, so no guild goes under anyone it would be alot eaiser this way then any other way.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:40 pm

dangthien94 wrote:
If Understanding is one of your primary subjects, then what are ALL your subjects?

I think your guild is already big. Why do you want to support us? What do you want back?

I don't get why you're such a negative person? Sinful isn't that big. And even if it is. Why not making it bigger? You'll only enjoy it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:46 pm

Well, maybe I'm a negative person. But I'm just pointing out what is hiding behind those truths. And how do you know I'm going to enjoy a big guild? You're so much for a positive person.

Well, if I'm a negative person, I already see things negatively, and when the results come out, no one is going to be disappointed.

And you're a positive person, when the results come out, you can either be as much happy, or going to be depressed.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:03 pm

You're also smart. Very Happy Well this is my opinion and yours is yours. Let's see what's gonna be happening.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:05 pm

This is... surprising. From what I can tell, the gist of it is to create a Guild Alliance. Ryan, there's disadvantages of a big guild too. In bigger guilds you're usually less close as opposed to a more tight-nit one. Yes, there's always a possibility of power struggle. We could just leave this a guild alliance. The main issue I think is that you [Noct] will control everything. Similar to a King, his dukes, etc. The main power will lie with you. If that's not what you're aiming for, it'd probably be best to clear that up.

I can go either way on this issue. On one hand you have the backing of another guild, on the other hand if Sinful does something terrible [just an example] we will also be associated with them and others will think badly of us as well. Then we wouldn't have any particular say in disciplinary actions if need be, since that wouldn't make very much sense as we don't really have any... say? I guess that's the best way to phrase it. Anyway we're not actually in their guild so if they condone such behavior then we'll have to take it as well; or break the alliance. Then everything will basically return to status quo.This goes both ways so I'm guessing Noct is aware of this as well. I don't think WK has a guild alliance feature set up yet, so we'd have to contact each member of either guild directly. Personally I can't see any particular cons to this.

I can agree with this statement though. "Bonds wouldn't be broken since you would be leading your guild, normally like before, the difference is that you would have support from us." Essentially everyone will continue as is. In terms of helping this is probably just members or so.

At the very least, I'm assuming Noct wants our support as well.

If we don't, well we can still succeed or everything will remain as is. Time will only tell if this guild will grow or disperse.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:10 pm

well,
as Co-Leader of Overdrive, i'll put in my two cents.
for the guild merging part, i say no. i like our guild here as is, and i feel it doesn't need support. it is pretty close knit original member wise. and i like that. also being independent is great. with more people, we'll just have a harder time talking to each other as everyone will be trying to talk in guild chat.

guild alliance, would be a maybe for me. we'd have to set out all the details for me to give my definite answer. it could be a good idea, but what happens when one guild is sucessful and the other isn't. then does one just break off the alliance to continue its success and the other would suffer? or do you share the success and support us even when you don't need the support. we have to think about the long run in this situation. "On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everything drops to zero."

think of it like a relationship. no matter what, we're going to have some problems eventually. we've already had a little problem with Sinful taking over our home channel. so, it truly depends. i personally think we'll have to wait a while to give an answer. and i mean like maybe a week into OBT. we have to see how our own guild is doing. what sucks is that most of our members don't like to come to our forums (we should make a rule, like 5 posts per week or you get kicked. maybe.) so the only way we can tell how well we're doing is when the game is off cooldown.

anyways, hope you understand, i have no problems with Sinful at all, but give us some time to think about this. if we merged my job would be filled with one of your members, and i do like having Overdrive above our name, and knowing our success is our own. there's also the issue, how do we know your not just using us to get to the top. as for the alliance/collab, it might actually be a good idea. but we, or at least i, won't be able to give you an actual answer until OBT. when our members will truly be playing, and when everything truly counts.

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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:13 pm

FINALLY
Someone has said something. But it's too late (I think). I support you Verso.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:27 pm

yeah, from what i can tell. its too late..
didn't figure that out until i read the thread in general forum.
i was busy all weekend/day until now, even then im leaving in just a bit.
sucks i actually didn't get to say anything and the guild just went on and chose something without there co-leader, who has been busy, saying anything about it.

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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:29 pm

I Know it sucks. I oppose it too. But ... it's too late now. I'm sorry Troy.
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PostSubject: Re: Sinful Guild Collaboration/Merge   Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:05 am

This is a copy of the agreement between both guilds, which Musical has accepted.

As you know, we have been discussing about a merger with guild Overdrive. Since many, if not all of you had disagreements with the name change, we have come up with another idea that would benefit us all. Rather than changing the Sinful guild name, we will replace Annira with Musical (the leader from Overdrive).

** The leadership change will be in name alone, all members will retain their elites and veteran status. Their members will also retain their original statuses.
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